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 So do not like the length of pull on the stock. It's not comfortable for me to shoot, but I can live with it. It's not a, not a total deal breaker. I can deal with the longer length of pull if I have to, and it looks like I'm going to have to

Is the Mossberg 930 reliable

 I'm going to do a little intro to this video that I filmed today.

 The Mossberg 930, I took it out to the range, and I'm going to show you today whether it

 I will say that I was a little skeptical of the 930 when I took it out after the quality

 control issues that it had when it came out of the box.

 But I'm going to let you all watch this video, and you all find out for yourself whether

 you think it passed or whether it failed.

 I'm going to show you what kind of ammo I'm going to run today through my 930, and I picked

 Let me come down here and show you what it is.

 This is some terrible, terrible ammo, but I picked it for a reason.

 If it'll run this ammo, it'll run just about anything.

 This is better ammo, so I'm expecting it to run this.

 And then finally, I picked this Rio Double Hawk Buck.

 It's a 9 pellet Double Hawk Buck, so I'm expecting it to run this too.

 If it'll run these two, I'll be pretty happy with it.

 If it'll run those as well, I'll be extremely happy with it.

 So let's go down here and see what it'll run.

 Let's try this Winchester, see how it runs.

 I talked about this gun on my first video, wow, it ran everything.

 It ran from the cheap, cheap Federal and Winchester to the pretty good Remington, all the way

 I thought the fit and finish on it was kind of crappy and I still believe coming out of

 the factory like that, there should not be problems with assembly, especially of a shotgun

 Shotguns aren't that hard to assemble, so I still believe there shouldn't be problems

 with assembly coming out of a shotgun from the factory, but where the rubber met the

 road out here on the range, it performed and it performed good.

 Now I've run 85 rounds through it, about 85 rounds through it, something like that.

 So it wasn't a long test, but it was a substantial test nonetheless.

 I did not oil it before I brought it out here.

 I put it back together with the lube it came from, from the factory.

 I'll clean it when I get home to get any of the filing out of it, but for an 80, 85 round

 The thumb safety is starting to smooth in a little bit.

 It was, if y'all remember in my initial video, I had a problem with the thumb safety not

 disengaging, but I've, I guess it's smoothed its way in, it cycled good.

 The only problems with the gun today were me, 100% me.

 I wasn't resetting the trigger far enough.

 I'm used to shooting 1911s with single action triggers and AR-15s, and this has a longer

 So I have to learn the reset on it because I wasn't fully resetting it, trying to pull

 So I just reset it and it would go ahead and go bang.

 But man, I gotta tell you, for 500 bucks or whatever it was I paid for this one, 5, 550,

 something like that, I think I got a good one.

 So do not like the length of pull on the stock.

 It's not comfortable for me to shoot, but I can live with it.

 I can deal with the longer length of pull if I have to, and it looks like I'm going

 I might mount a hollow sun on top of it.

 I think y'all could tell on some of the video footage that the birdshot stepping up to the

 Remington Express and then the buckshot, it's quite a difference in power factor there quite

 So yeah, that Rio buckshot, I've never had a problem with that Rio buckshot.

 And y'all might have a different opinion of it, but for me, that Rio buckshot has always

 And I've got federal controlled flight loaded in it at home, but that Rio wouldn't have

 a problem using it in a defensive situation at all.

Hello my fellow impulse buyers. Today we are going to talk about keeping your hand away from your credit card when you see that Turkish tacticool shotgun sitting on the wall at your local gun store. (Even though many of you know this already).

Let's start with **CONTEXT.**

Turkey is a fairly major producer of guns in Europe and Turkish factories make a lot of shotguns due to the restrictions in foreign markets. In the past few years there has been a massive wave of random tactical Turkish shotguns flooding the US market. There is a noticeable uptick in the past year presumably from them ramping up production for rona market and to fill gaps in the tactical shotgun sector. Turkish shotguns coming in is nothing new, but they were generally sporting guns that were contracted by major gun companies such as Stoeger (whose parent company is Benelli) and CZ. Some of those shotguns gained a good reputation such as the Stoeger M3000 which was a decent copy of the Benelli Inertia system and allowed you to get good reliability without Benelli price and was supported by the maker/market. However, the random no-name tactical timmy bullpup semi-autos, AR style box fed semi-autos, and various pumps coming in are not such products. They are built cheap under no parent company supervision and are meant to be sold solely on novelty of their "cool" looks or price-point

**ORIGIN:** "But ENclip my bullpup semi-auto shotgun isn't Turkish it's a good old American shotgun made by G-Force Arms, Charles Daly, Citadel, Black Aces, Radikal, Panzer Arms, etc."

No timmy, it isn't an American shotgun. The Turkish tactical shotguns are being brought in by many companies who do not make guns, they are simply importing them and slapping their big old label on them with their branding. All these shotguns get rebranded/renamed which makes it look like there are so many when in reality they are basically all the same with slightly "different" aesthetics or internals. Go on guns.com and take a look at their semi-auto shotguns listings and look for yourself at what I mean by the million different rebrands/model names/slight changes. It doesn't help that websites generally WILL NOT mention where they were made. If you see an American address on one, that is simply the importers location which they have to put on it. The good news is these shotguns should say "made in Turkey" somewhere on them (even if discreetly). 

**COST:** "But ENclip they are such a good price"

No timothy, they aren't. Sure, generally speaking they are cheaper than their counterparts, but that's the point. They are made cheap with cost-cutting quality control. Even then, $700 for that new bullpup isn't exactly cheap, especially when you get a shoddy gun that can have many problems. For pumps that are $200 those too can be problematic in their own right and you'd be better of waiting to get something like a Maverick 88.

**REVIEWS**: "But ENclip my XYZ-15 box fed autoloader has no bad reviews out there."

No timanthony, it doesn't. Because that's the 27th renamed tacticool Turkish shotgun that has been imported this month. There are hardly any reviews for most of these guns because they are so many renames, remodels, and rebrands that it's hard to have any actual data, and if there is any it's someone who fired 50 rounds and gave it five stars. The fact of the matter is their quality control sucks and you are taking a chance. We have no idea what factory in Turkey is making them or what they are doing. And even if we do, it's still made under the same principle of cheap.

**PARTS:** "But ENclip even if the firing pin breaks due to poor material/heat-treat I can buy a replacement"

No timbob, you can't because there is near zero aftermarket support for any of these guns. You can't find accessories that fit, and you most definitely can't find replacement parts. Your only hope in event of breakage is that the company has a warranty service.

**PROBLEMS**: "But ENclip, what kind of problems does this lack of QC cause?"

Well tim, I'm glad you asked. The problems people are generally going to see are malfunctions. Bad fitting parts, shoddy magazines, ill thought out actions, etc. can all contribute to problematic function. Sure, many people are buying them as a range toy where clearing a jam is just annoying, but there are also many out there turning to these guns as home defense due to shortages of common recommendations. THESE GUNS SHOULD NEVER BE CONSIDERED RELIABLE FOR DEFENSE. In terms of breakage, commonly small parts will break. Such as the firecontrol group or maybe your sight pops off. There are ton of posts around the internet like this:

[https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/n2zgsq/charles\_daley\_n4s\_bullpup/](https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/n2zgsq/charles_daley_n4s_bullpup/)

[https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/n3l6gl/gun\_shoots\_twice\_when\_i\_pull\_the\_trigger/](https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/n3l6gl/gun_shoots_twice_when_i_pull_the_trigger/)

Even worse still is that quality control and dubious manufacturing can cause problems that are much worse. A prime recent example of this is the QC on the clones of the Benelli M4 coming in. You'd think they can't fuck it up because they are copying 1 to 1 the most reliable combat shotgun ever made. But no, even though it may appear to be copied right, here is an example of the bolt carrier and piston on one seriously deforming due to improper heat treat or improper steel in UNDER a 100 shells.

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIQVxKwZWng&amp;t=23m3s](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIQVxKwZWng&amp;t=23m3s)

**CONCLUSION**: Bottomline, stay away from these Turkish "tactical" shotguns unless you like risk. I'm not saying Turkey can't make a good gun, they make a fantastic MP5 clone (by MKE) and some decent sporting guns like the Stoeger M3000 for example, but these shotguns are simply not made well. If you still want to buy one because you want a range toy that you are willing to take the chance on because there are no other options for a spaceforce semi-auto bullpup shotgun out there, be my guest. This is mainly for people who want to impulse buy one due to "cool" factor, and then are clueless when something breaks or doesn't work right or they can't find accessories. Go on and fly forth timmy.

<div class="md">Hello my fellow impulse buyers. Today we are going to talk about keeping your hand away from your credit card when you see that <a href="https://imgur.com/a/hVgGddJ">Turkish tacticool shotgun</a> sitting on the wall at your local gun store. (Even though many of you know this already).

Let&#39;s start with CONTEXT.

Turkey is a fairly major producer of guns in Europe and Turkish factories make a lot of shotguns due to the restrictions in foreign markets. In the past few years there has been a massive wave of random tactical Turkish shotguns flooding the US market. There is a noticeable uptick in the past year presumably from them ramping up production for rona market and to fill gaps in the tactical shotgun sector. Turkish shotguns coming in is nothing new, but they were generally sporting guns that were contracted by major gun companies such as Stoeger (whose parent company is Benelli), Winchester, and CZ. Some of those shotguns gained a good reputation such as the Stoeger M3000 which was a decent copy of the Benelli Inertia system and allowed you to get good reliability without Benelli price and was supported by the maker/market. However, the random no-name tactical timmy bullpup semi-autos, AR style box fed semi-autos, and various pumps coming in are not such products. They are built cheap under no parent company supervision and are meant to be sold solely on novelty of their &quot;cool&quot; looks or price-point

ORIGIN: &quot;But ENclip my bullpup semi-auto shotgun isn&#39;t Turkish it&#39;s a good old American shotgun made by G-Force Arms, Charles Daly, Citadel, Black Aces, Radikal, Panzer Arms, etc.&quot;

No timmy, it isn&#39;t an American shotgun. The Turkish tactical shotguns are being brought in by many companies who do not make the guns, they are simply importing them and slapping their big old label on them with their branding. All these shotguns get rebranded/renamed which makes it look like there are so many when in reality they are basically all the same with slightly &quot;different&quot; aesthetics or internals. Go on guns.com and take a look at their semi-auto shotguns listings and look for yourself at what I mean by the million different rebrands/model names/slight changes. It doesn&#39;t help that websites generally WILL NOT mention where they were made. If you see an American address on one, that is simply the importers location which they have to put on it. The good news is these shotguns should say &quot;made in Turkey&quot; somewhere on them (even if discreetly).

CITADEL BR99, TYPHOON DEFENSE X12, TR IMPORTS SE122, TRISTAR KRX TACTICAL, CHARLES DALY AR12S, ROCK ISLAND ARMORY VR60, PANZER ARMS AR-12 TACTICAL. That&#39;s quite a lot of tantalizing variety, isn&#39;t it timmy? Wrong. Every single one of those is the same Turkish gun design with slight changes in aesthetic exterior. Go on, google it.

COST: &quot;But ENclip they are such a good price&quot;

No timothy, they aren&#39;t. Sure, generally speaking they are cheaper than their counterparts, but that&#39;s the point. They are made cheap with cost-cutting quality control. Even then, $700 for that new Turkish bullpup isn&#39;t exactly cheap and quite overpriced, especially when you get a shoddy gun that can have many problems. Instead, you can get a quality pump shotgun like a Mossberg 590/590A1, Benelli Nova or an old Remington 870 wingmaster, or if you want a tactical semi-auto around that price a Mossberg 930 SPX will be a much better choice and actually is supported. For Turkish tactical pumps that are $200 those too can be problematic in their own right and you&#39;d be better off waiting to get something like a Maverick 88 in that price range.

REVIEWS: &quot;But ENclip my XYZ-15 box fed autoloader has no bad reviews out there.&quot;

No timanthony, it doesn&#39;t. Because that&#39;s the 27th renamed tacticool Turkish shotgun that has been imported this month. There are hardly any reviews for most of these guns because there are so many renames, remodels, and rebrands that it&#39;s hard to have any actual data, and if there is any it&#39;s someone who fired 50 rounds and gave it five stars. The fact of the matter is their quality control sucks and you are taking a chance. We generally have no idea what factories in Turkey are making them or what they are doing. And even if we do, it&#39;s still made under the same principle of cheap. Edit 2022, it should be noted that there is a theory that the importers rename the same gun every few months to specifically deceive people and avoid the negative reviews the gun might have had under the old model name.

PARTS: &quot;But ENclip even if the firing pin breaks due to poor material/heat-treat I can buy a replacement&quot;

No timbob, you can&#39;t because there is near zero aftermarket support for any of these guns. You can&#39;t find accessories that fit, and you most definitely can&#39;t find replacement parts. Your only hope in event of breakage is that the company has a warranty service. And if they do, a lot of these tend to have very short warranties such as 1 or 2 years.

People on reddit asking where to find a parts that fit because they can&#39;t find any: <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/Shotguns/comments/ou3u64/are_there_any_accessories_that_are_compatible/">1</a> <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/Shotguns/comments/otr3cd/dickinson_xx3dm2_marine_tactical/">2</a> <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/Shotguns/comments/ot244n/gforce_arms/">3</a> <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/Shotguns/comments/ordbp6/pistol_grip_stock_for_ria_vrpa40/">4</a> <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/Shotguns/comments/or4ufl/rock_island_m5t_carina/">5</a> <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/Shotguns/comments/omgbmw/vr80_and_m_lok_hand_guard_inserts/">6</a> <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/Shotguns/comments/oknkx3/akkar_altay_info/">7</a> examples. This is just from two weeks of me looking at <a href="/r/Shotguns">r/Shotguns</a>

PROBLEMS: &quot;But ENclip, what kind of problems does this lack of QC cause?&quot;

Well tim, I&#39;m glad you asked. The problems people are generally going to see are malfunctions. Bad fitting/out of spec parts, shoddy magazines, ill thought out actions, etc. can all contribute to problematic function. Sure, many people are buying them as a range toy where clearing a jam is just annoying, but there are also many out there turning to these guns as home defense due to shortages of common recommendations. THESE GUNS SHOULD NEVER BE CONSIDERED RELIABLE FOR DEFENSE. In terms of breakage, commonly small parts will break, or even receivers. Such as the fire control group breaking or maybe your sight pops off or the frame cracks. There are ton of posts around the internet like this complaining about broken parts, receivers, jams. etc:

Blown up and cracked receiver Radikal bullpups found on Palmetto State Armory&#39;s site in review sections: <a href="https://imgur.com/a/Hzqq1UN">https://imgur.com/a/Hzqq1UN</a>

Various fire control group issues, jamming, etc problems:

<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/n2zgsq/charles_daley_n4s_bullpup/">https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/n2zgsq/charles_daley_n4s_bullpup/</a>

<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/n3l6gl/gun_shoots_twice_when_i_pull_the_trigger/">https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/n3l6gl/gun_shoots_twice_when_i_pull_the_trigger/</a>

<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/Shotguns/comments/or1ivb/citadel_boss_25_trouble/">https://www.reddit.com/r/Shotguns/comments/or1ivb/citadel_boss_25_trouble/</a>

<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/pcty7w/panzer_bullpup_gen_2_shotgun_wont_cycle/">https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/pcty7w/panzer_bullpup_gen_2_shotgun_wont_cycle/</a>

<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/p0rzkj/can_anyone_explain_why_my_12_gauge_semi_auto/">https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/p0rzkj/can_anyone_explain_why_my_12_gauge_semi_auto/</a>

<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/qwbu55/help_please_panzer_arms_bp12/">https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/qwbu55/help_please_panzer_arms_bp12/</a>

<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/up9fcq/turkishmade_ar_style_shotguns/">https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/up9fcq/turkishmade_ar_style_shotguns/</a>

<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/Shotguns/comments/yps79u/fedarm_fx4_turkish_m3_clone_gunbroker_semiauto/">https://www.reddit.com/r/Shotguns/comments/yps79u/fedarm_fx4_turkish_m3_clone_gunbroker_semiauto/</a>

<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/Shotguns/comments/yxibrn/vr80_barrel_destroyed_first_range_trip_50_rds/">https://www.reddit.com/r/Shotguns/comments/yxibrn/vr80_barrel_destroyed_first_range_trip_50_rds/</a>

Exploded pump: <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/v4aruj/welp_shotgun_exploded_on_me_30mins_after_buying/">https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/v4aruj/welp_shotgun_exploded_on_me_30mins_after_buying/</a>

Mag well/mag issues: <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/pla324/eternal_arms_bp12_review_it_sucks/">https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/pla324/eternal_arms_bp12_review_it_sucks/</a>

TFB TV review on Black Aces semi-auto that didn&#39;t make it through 500 round endurance test: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZi3rDHYJEU">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZi3rDHYJEU</a>

TFB TV review and durability test on a Citadel Boss Hog showing never ending malfunctions and failures so bad it requires disassembly. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr98weArl0o">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr98weArl0o</a>

And here is a Black Aces Bullpup (fully pictured in the third image of the imgur link in the very beginning of my post) with a warped frame <a href="https://imgur.com/a/NRRGHFe">https://imgur.com/a/NRRGHFe</a>

Bad quality control and dubious manufacturing can cause problems that are quite bad. A prime recent example of this is the QC on the clones of the Benelli M4 coming in. You&#39;d think they can&#39;t fuck it up because they are copying 1 to 1 the most reliable combat shotgun ever made. But no, even though it may appear to be copied right, here is an example of the bolt carrier and piston on one seriously deforming due to improper heat treat or improper steel in UNDER a 100 shells.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIQVxKwZWng&amp;t=23m3s">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIQVxKwZWng&amp;t=23m3s</a>

Update showing failure of warranty: Manufacturer failed in correcting issues. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7zERHkgvBM&amp;t=6s">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7zERHkgvBM&amp;t=6s</a>

Another post regarding similar bolt carrier heat treat issues on a Toros T4 (A Benelli M4 clone too), with multiple others commenting about similar issues on Turk M4 clones: <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/Shotguns/comments/qga9qr/fakenelli_update_running_well_check_your_bolt/">https://www.reddit.com/r/Shotguns/comments/qga9qr/fakenelli_update_running_well_check_your_bolt/</a>

TFB TV review on a Turkish M4 clone that has constant failures with many different types of ammo: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuY4CWm8XwA&amp;ab_channel=TFBTV">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuY4CWm8XwA&amp;ab_channel=TFBTV</a>

Four Peaks imports Turk M4 clone had a part break in 5 rounds and the company ghosts the OP after the gun had been sent in for repair months ago <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/xnwj63/problem_with_rma_from_fourpeaksimport_advice/">https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/xnwj63/problem_with_rma_from_fourpeaksimport_advice/</a>

Four Peaks Turk M4 clone failing badly with a heat treat issue on the hammer and poor initial reliability. Had to use Benelli parts to get it to work okay.

<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/xtyres/a_brief_review_of_the_four_peaks_copolla_t4s/">https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/xtyres/a_brief_review_of_the_four_peaks_copolla_t4s/</a>

<a href="https://imgur.com/a/I2hOD8B">https://imgur.com/a/I2hOD8B</a>

&quot;But ENclip what about other-&quot;

Stop it timlee, just stop. I already know you are going to go &quot;what about other actually good shotguns, they have lemons too.&quot; No, Benelli will never ever have a QC failing that bad on their M4. And yes, well known manufacturers will have some QC lemons from time to time with minor things like sight alignment or finish. However, these Turkish shotguns have a vastly higher rate of QC errors and serious problems, and to top it off they do not have legitimate support if there is a problem as mentioned earlier.

CONCLUSION: Bottomline, stay away from these Turkish &quot;tactical&quot; shotguns unless you like risk. I&#39;m not saying Turkey can&#39;t make a good gun, they make a fantastic MP5 clone (by MKE) and some decent sporting guns like the Stoeger M3000 for example, but these shotguns are simply not made well. If you still want to buy one because you want a range toy that you are willing to take the chance on because there are no other options for a spaceforce semi-auto bullpup shotgun out there, be my guest. This is mainly for people who want to impulse buy one due to &quot;cool&quot; factor or home defense, and then are clueless when something breaks or doesn&#39;t work right or they can&#39;t find accessories. Go on and fly forth timmy.

Edit: Added some examples in the &quot;Origin&quot; section and changed/added a couple of words/sentences and grammar. Also, clarification that a few brands actually are both the maker and importer according to their site such as &quot;Panzer Arms,&quot; but that doesn&#39;t change the quality issue and the million versions/brands.

Edit 2: I have been, and will be, adding examples periodically to update this thread since it is now in the FAQ and a bot command.

Edit 3: This is an email James Reeves from TFBtv received from a factory worker in Turkey that gives insight into how their gun industry works. Explains a lot of the similar issues these guns have <a href="https://twitter.com/jjreeves/status/1473436879748046857">https://twitter.com/jjreeves/status/1473436879748046857</a>
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Turkish Not-So-Delight. Why you should generally avoid buying those random "totally cool looking" cheap tactical shotguns made in Turkey.

 You don't want that in your life. We're going to take out a few of our soda pops here with these slugs. All right. 500 grain steel slugs

 All right, now watch this. I'm going to take one of these rounds and I'm just going to group it there on that plate there on the right side. 41 pellets of number four. Now number four buckshot is smaller than double awt buckshot, but check this out

 Muzzle velocity of 1,500 feet per second, 3,000 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle. That right there is what we call get out of here. All right, I'm going to drop one in. Oh man, I just felt the pain go home

 Alright guys, we're going to be laying down the law with a 12 gauge today. Mossberg 930 TAC, man, these shotguns are fantastic. I've got nine rounds of military buckshot loaded up. I think we're going to get rid of a few of those here

Mossberg 930 Tactical

 Alright guys, we're going to be laying down the law with a 12 gauge today.

 Mossberg 930 TAC, man, these shotguns are fantastic.

Mossberg 930

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